Redd Racing
September 6, 2008 · Print This Article
Website: http://www.reddracing.co.uk
Price: £29 p.m. - £120 (12 months)
Format: Tipster Service
Sports: Horse Racing
Overview
I joined MAX’s betting service about four months ago after tracking his results for 6 months. I was impressed with his consistent Profits and also his betting approach which involves only backing/laying a selection if it meets his value price. He puts a price beside each selection in his daily e-mail and only advises betting the selection if the Odds meet the Value Price at some point before the race.
I contacted him to verify that his results were genuine and that i would be able to obtain the very Prices that he has in his results and he said, “No Problem, all prices are easily available during the day and if you don’t
make a profit in 2 months you can have a refund”. This is also outlined on his Website.
The Service
I joined his service on a 1 year subscription but within days his Results didn’t add up. For example, in his morning e-mail he might advise that I back a particular Horse if the Odds on Betfair drift out to 6/1 (7.00) but when a horse won at his suggested value odds he would put in the Horses odds at 10/1 or higher and then when i questioned him on this he said that even higher odds were available.
Fair enough i thought, Max must have a knack for getting close to the best odds available but every single winning selections odds were much higher than his suggested value odds and every single Lay bet he advised that won was shown in the results at the lowest available lay odds and not his suggested value lay price.
This Results Manipulating meant that I was showing only half the winnings shown on the website after 1 week and thats not factoring in losing bets. He left out numerous losing bets from his results when i was easily matched but he never left out a winning bet even if i couldn’t get matched he would say something like “Oh, the suggested Value odds were available on WBX.com. Complete lies and who uses WBX.com anyway.
Results
After 5 weeks i was down 5 points but he was showing a 16 Points Profit on the website. He has never had a losing month and it was beginning to dawn on me why this was the case. When he’s on a bad run he leaves out losing bets and fabricates the Prices available on his Winning Bets.
I therefore contacted him, sending him a spreadsheet of my results and demanded a refund and explained that I wasn’t happy with my results compared to those on his website and that i was not getting matched on Numerous winning bets that were included in the Results on his Website. He told me to contact him after 2 months and he’d sort out a refund.
I continued betting his selections to small stakes so i could send him a 2 month Record of results if needed and it was no surprise that after 2 months i was down 11 points while he was showing over 40 points profit.
That’s a difference of 51 Points!!!
He told me that he wouldn’t be dealing with me because i demanded a refund and passed me on to his Refund Processing Department and i spoke to a Guy called Scott from “BlueSKyKangaroo” who are in some way connected to MAX REDD. Scott told me that i wouldn’t be getting a refund because MAX had shown a healthy 2 months profit even though i sent Scott my results for 2 months. I then asked for a partial refund minus the 2 months i was with MAX service and again i was told that i wouldn’t be getting any refund.
Conclusions
MAX still sends me his daily e-mail even though i don’t touch his selections as I’d be better off sticking a pin in the Racingpost but i am fuming that he has kept my money when i told him in no uncertain terms that i wanted a refund and did not wish to receive his daily e-mail anymore.
This guy has 1000’s of newsletter subscribers and god knows how many people have been scammed by him.
Regards,
Stuart
not sure if these comments get prinyted, but I’ve been subscribing to red racing for nearly 2 months, and I’m very happy (so far). not bothered wot his results show, as I’m only bothered what my results are. 2 months is nowhere near enough time to make any judgements anyway, but it seems previous comments on here are only typical, when a tipster is having a good spell, he is brilliant, and everyone and his wife tries to sell the service as a affiliate. But when they get a bad patch they are sudenly crooks and villains overnight. If people are not prepared to accept and deal or manage with a losing run, they shouldn’t instantly blame a tiposter.
Sarah i appreciate your comments but you are talking rubbish. If a tipster has a bad month or two then that is perfectly acceptable, nobody can will all the time.
If you read the review properly you will see that the author/vendor whatever was changing results, not including losing bets and changing winning ones to higher odds.
I had heard ALOT about Max Redd being a scammer before i got to this site but now it is confirmed. DO NOT fall for this rubbish, there ARE some genuine systems ou there that WILL increase your bank.
Agree with Daniel. If he was any good, he’d put his money where is mouth is and proof his results to the racing index website
Myself and a friend joined Redd Racing at roughly the same time.
He e-mailed both of us for a ’special’ and gave us a different horse each but in the same race. Enough said!
If you think about it, it’s only logical that not every one who joins his service, or indeed any tipping service, will win. Let’s suppose that at any one time he has a floating membership of say 200. If all these try to get a matched bet of, say, £100 on Betfair at his minimum price, you are trying to get £20,000 matched on one bet. If you have all day access to a computer and are able to act immediately on his tips, the lucky few may get their bets matched at his price, but I suspect an awful lot will be disappointed. Of course he naturally gets his own bets on and matched before he transmits these to his members, and these are the results he publishes. It doesn’t take a genius to work this out. That’s why many members won’t get their bets matched, either at all or not at his price(s). Hence the apparent distortion in his published results. All tipsters, other than Odds To services, operate on similar lines. They get their bets on first before going public. I use two conventional tipping sevices. If I don’t act on their tips immediately, there’s no way I can get their recommended prices, even if I delay by two or three minutes in placing my bet . You can actually watch the price tumbling before your eyes on the multi bookmaker screens. I accept that no tipping line I’ve used points this pitfall out to members, but looking at it from the tipsters’ angle, if when they put out the bets their price is available on screen, that’s all they can do and it’s really a case of first come, first served. There’s a lot more I could cover about the psychology of betting, but I’ll leave it there at the risk of boring readers.
Disturbing points above re Max Redd Racing.
I’ve personally for years been looking for that “master tipster”, the “dream tipster”…..truth is there is’nt one.
But just may’be the reason there is’nt is because of us, you, me the “customer” and the one failing we all have….the love of MONEY……the lovely feeling of making MONEY….loads of it……
I’m disappointed to hear the comments above on MRR.
So here is my findings after years of trying and trying and trying…….
Don’t know if you’ve noticed but don’t the web sites of tipsters vary a lot…..by that i mean their content……and by that i mean is it just a one page affair a two page stint or a site that has multi pages.
Now i know not everybody has the time or inclination to be pounding thro a site that has one hec of a lot of pages for reading……..but have you ever gone thro and read the lot on these sites that are few and far between……if you have’nt then DO IT!, may’be then you will think well before parting with your cash to a “tipster”.
Two sites….1 cd systems, run by Steve Jones
2 mathematician betting, run by Guy Ward.
So go read thro both of their sites, then compare with what you’ve seen and read on your current tipsters site!!.
Oh and by the way i have no personal connection to either of the tipsters…..but what i’ve learned from them has been invaluable.
Further to the above, there’s a site called goughinfo which regularly gives free winning tips. Not bad strike rate. I’m yet to match his prices though!!